Posted by Sven Gothel on Feb 11, 2011; 4:09am
URL: https://forum.jogamp.org/Opinions-On-The-JOGAMP-JOGL-Status-Quo-tp2470518p2471251.html

On Friday, February 11, 2011 01:31:21 rhatcher [via jogamp] wrote:
>

Hi Rob,

I am the GlueGen/Joal/Jogl maintainer and general Jogamp lead,
the projects janitor, besides the many other valuable contributors
we gladly have allowing the project to become a success.

As Wade turns it out, sure we can't be objective,
but I try to do my very best to be :)

> We're still using 1.1.1a at our site so it's been a while since we upgraded.
> I recently started some experimental integrations of the JOGAMP JOGL distro
> to see what kinds of problems I could expect.  At first I tried the 2.0-rc1
> release and was getting complaints and flaky behavior (windows refusing to
> close, seg faults, etc).  This was not encouraging, so I grabbed nightly
> build 300 and the situation improved dramatically.
>
Our 2.0 release is not finished yet, still within RC state.
  http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Jogamp_Versioning_and_Releases

We promote jogamp-next and webstart-next more often,
hence you might give this a try besides the auto-builds.

BTW we have a simple version applet available (webstart-next only for now)
  http://jogamp.org/deployment/webstart-next/applet-version-jnlp.html
dumping the the version information for your platform and the Jogamp modules.

I am on the same page with Wade, until 2.0 I would not recommend
a switch for your production stable build.

However .. development should use 2.*, since our new system provides
more quality in regards to testing, stability, besides features.
Of course, as Wade mentioned it, we cannot test all machines and configurations
and we all have our objectives here.
But if you are willing to participate, file bug reports, communicate
and maybe even triage and fix bugs - there is a good chance that we listen and change.
Together for sure we will be able to satisfy, which we cannot without knowing :)

Another great strategy for you to ensure important features are covered is
to provide unit tests which we can merge and hence run in our continuous integration system, Jenkins.
  http://jogamp.org/chuck/

Have I mentioned that there is no more Jogl 1* support ?

If you need more high priority support, more attention, etc,
feel free to contact the maintainers and/or other contributors for commercial help as well.
  http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Maintainer_and_Contacts

> So... the trend certainly is in the right direction, but I'm also interested
> in hearing observations from anybody who has been using JOGAMP's JOGL distro
> in fielded products.  Has it been stable?  Would you characterize it as
> generally "solid"?  Have you encountered any major missing or broken
> features that look like they'll be a while showing up?  That kind of thing.

Speaking of commercial user, C3D a Java CAD kind of application, visualizing
construction zones etc, it uses the new JOGL 2 version due to it's performance requirements.
C3D uses NEWT's native window parenting to attach a NEWT / JOGL window to a Swing based UI
without AWT/Swings lack AWT-EDT pipelining.
The GL output, mouse/key input and AWT-EDT run independently using this solution.
Soon it will change to a ES2/GL4 modular rendering kit, asking for being deployed on mobile.

I am also aware that Nasa Worldwind is working on JOGL2 migration,
as well as other popular or 'important' projects.

Speaking of direction, the
 - OpenCL mapping JOCL
 - JOGL GL profile separation
 - Agnostic windowing system (NEWT)
 - Soon to be supported Android/Dalvik
 - QA via Jenkins, unit tests, Bugzilla and forum
 - and more ..

shall be convincing enough to start trusting Jogamp a bit, I hope.

>
> Judging from his posts Wade Walker probably would have something to say
> assuming he's willing.  Anybody else?

Everybody is free to talk here.

>
> FWIW I'm glad you guys picked up the ball and ran with it after the previous
> effort was abandoned, and I like where you're taking it for the most part.
> I'm just trying to get a feel for how far along you are.
>
> TIA for any feedback.

You are very welcome and thank you for your interest.

~Sven

>
> Rob
>
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